The Greatest Stories Never Told

Tony Horton: From Non-Athletic Kid To World-Renowned Trainer

Episode Summary

Tony Horton is best known as a creator of P90X, the most popular workout program of all time that has been used by over 11 million people! He's even trained celebrities like Tom Petty, Billy Idol, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Nicks, Shirley MacLaine. And today, he's gonna reveal all the wild stories that happened behind the scenes, some of which have never been told before (many of which people probably don't want him to spill…). So get ready! In today’s episode, you’ll discover: The hidden ‘pitfalls’ that come with such outrageous success and how Tony handled them with finesse (if you’re hoping to become famous one day… you will not want to miss this!) How P90X flat out saved a woman’s life and allowed her to rediscover her long lost zest for life once again! The time Tony was forced to ‘street perform’ in order to pay his bills and survive (and you won’t believe how good he actually was!) The very first paid client that allowed Tony’s personal training career to take off and served as a benchmark for future business with well-renowned celebrities! A ‘forbidden’ story Tony promised himself he would never reveal! (oh boy… we could get in trouble for this one!) The #1 reason why most people quit on their fitness goals (and how to not only fix this issue… but actually ENJOY working out!) The #1 way to NEVER lose motivation to exercise and FINALLY reach your fitness goals (and most importantly… having fun while doing it!) Follow Tony on IG: @tonsyhorton

Episode Transcription

Tony Horton  0:00  

She grabs one she turns Madonna says, If you say corncob one more time, this one is going right up your filament.

Oh my god. So that's it. Thank you very much. That's the end of my career. All right. That's it.

Craig Clemens  0:16  

Today on the greatest stories never told we have the legend Tony Horton, Tony's best known as a creator of p90x, the most popular workout program of all time that was used by 11 million people. He's trained celebrities like Tom Petty, Billy Idol, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Nicks Shirley MacLaine. Today, he's gonna reveal all the wild stories that happen behind the scenes, some of which have never been told before some of which people probably don't want him to spill. Starting right now with Tony Horton. Tony, my man, thanks for being on the show. Reg. Pleasure,

Tony Horton  0:50  

man. Yeah, to be here. This is gonna be fun.

Craig Clemens  0:53  

Okay, so p90x comes out, it becomes a phenomenon, the biggest infomercial at the time, maybe of all time, definitely the biggest workout program of all time. And so at this point, you probably were getting off of your own Rockstar bus and having people look at you, right? I mean, it must have been a trip to go from being the guy behind the scenes to the guy in front of the camera and in millions of homes. I mean, Are you just getting recognized everywhere? Yeah,

Tony Horton  1:16  

well, you know, it's funny. The program, so that was great body guarantee that was first and the next one was called power 90. And so great body guaranteed. I don't know how many sold those we sold. But no one recognized me from that even though I was you know, they were these little short format infomercials that you would kind of pop around, right? So I would like a two minutes. Two minutes spots. Okay, so

Craig Clemens  1:37  

yeah, cuz I didn't even know about that.

Unknown Speaker  1:39  

Yeah, nobody, most people don't. Okay,

Tony Horton  1:41  

and then power 90 came out. And then you know, same thing, it didn't do very well, because we wanted you to work out five, six days a week. And you had to eat right, and all that kind of stuff. And, but there was a long, long form of infomercial format that was out there. And then that's when they started to trickle in, when all of a sudden I do, I'd be at the at the pharmacy or whatever, I'd be at the grocery store. And it's so strange, because when you're completely anonymous, right? And no one knows who you are, except for your friends, the people you work with. And then a total stranger comes up and says something to you. You're there's no, there's no school for that. There's no class for that. It's almost sudden, like, Oh, okay. Wow. All right, I didn't expect you to come up to me and say these things. But I think inherently because of who I am. Anyway, I'm a very social person. I'm a very, you know, like, talking to people, I was probably a politician in the past life or something. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed, I liked I'd love to get their feedback and tell me their story. What happened? You know what I mean? And so what was the original power 90, that would happen? Like, once a week, okay, you know, what I mean? For about, you know, eight months to a year. And then you know, then we made p90x and, of course, that first, whatever, eight months to a year didn't do very well. But when it went like this, it was, it was, you know, it wasn't Brad Pitt crazy, but it was all the time, I would leave the house and it would happen, and sometimes would be tough one person in the day, sometimes it would be 15. You know, you go through an airport, and it we've got weird, you know what I mean? Like, people come in the other way. And you'd get all kinds you get sort of like,

Craig Clemens  3:12  

what is it about the airports?

Unknown Speaker  3:15  

And then, like everybody, like if they had

Tony Horton  3:17  

didn't have the, you know, they didn't have the colonies to come up and say, Hello, there was a lot of this you like the whole Franco the airport, doing this, you know? And so I don't think, you know, I think maybe once or twice, I didn't have the time, because I was running around, I was in the middle of something to actually stop and say hello, and hear people's story. And you know, I mean, I'll take every picture, I'll shake every hand and I'll listen to anybody and everybody.

But it's weird. You know what's weird, and some people aren't very good at it. It's sort of exaggerates kind of who they already are. So if you're kind of a bonehead anyway, and you start making some money and becoming famous, you turn into a bigger bonehead. And then, for me, you know, I was an insecure shy kid who's getting attention from strangers. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I'll say hello to you take yourself Yeah. Because with p90x is much more than anything I ever sold. The stories are supernatural. Like the like I got one just the other day. Subject was could people can call can write into my my Instagram, Instagram page, your website, my website. Yeah, website going to website and the subject line was You saved my life. And so she writes, she basically says that my my, my godmother, my art. Her husband committed suicide four years ago. And, you know, out of the blue unexpected, she was so distraught, so shaken, so broken from this event. The only reason why she didn't kill herself too is because they had a four year old child. And for the longest time, she was living in hell. And then she just did started like somehow she said, I have to start doing p90x. Like, why would p90x Why would an exercise program there was something about it because she had never worked that hard. never worked that hard that long. And, you know, that's the whole thing about About the norepinephrine, dopamine, serotonin brain derived neurotrophic factor, it's like all the things that happen inside of your brain that improve the quality of your life. You know, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's just Exercise Science like john ratey, a professor from Harvard wrote, wrote a book on it called Spark, you know, I mean, you work out hard and you breathe hard, it changes your noggin. And so it completely changed the perspective about her life. And she is now met another man madly in love. She's the she's the big inspiration with the family like my, like, there are more people within the family that exercise regularly now who never did it at all before because of her in this program.

Craig Clemens  5:34  

Wow. That's awesome. Like chain reaction,

Tony Horton  5:36  

chain reaction. And I get it's still 16 years later, I still get five or six of those a week. Wow. I mean, there's no media spend. There's not like p90x and I have a I have a challenge group on Facebook. It's got 6000 people and they're all doing p90x

Unknown Speaker  5:52  

amazing why they don't still do that.

Craig Clemens  5:54  

Because, you know, no one else has really duplicated it yet. I mean, there's boxing workouts and there's the tried, but it's missing the formulas missing. You know me,

Unknown Speaker  6:01  

man. That's

Craig Clemens  6:02  

right. Oh, yeah. 20 more dollars. Oh, yeah. So everyone knows you as the guy who created p90x biggest workout program in the world. What a lot of people don't know is that you come from very humble beginnings. Where'd you grow up?

Tony Horton  6:17  

Well, I depends. I grew up in I had six different homes before fifth grade. So it was Rhode Island. I was born in a place called westerly, Rhode Island. And so westerly, and then Fort Knox, Kentucky, then Honolulu, Hawaii, and reweighting, Connecticut, and then Syracuse, New York. And then Trumbull, Connecticut might have forgot one. So my father was in the military, I was a brat. And then he you know, he would change with jobs. He was in the plastics industry. He was an engineer and, and so we moved a lot, you know what I mean? And so I also had a speech impediment as a kid called cluttering. And I probably had a DD and ADHD and lmnop. And, like, I had all the acronyms pretty much so you know, and I was a small kid, I wasn't an athletic kid. So but yeah, I'm a New Englander. I still say that, you know, I spent I was born in Rhode Island, most of my family's in Rhode Island. But I was kind of raised from fifth grade up through high school in a place called Trumbull, Connecticut. So I kind of say I have two hometowns.

Craig Clemens  7:14  

Um, it was fitness a part of your family. Well, parents working out when you were a kid or had that's

Tony Horton  7:19  

Oh my god. Oh, you know, I mean, I would watch my mother watch Jacqueline on TV, and she would do some of the stuff like my grandmother, my father's mother, and yeah, we do the Jacqueline stuff. And I would watch I didn't I thought it was kind of silly. Yeah. My father that was a super jack when he was a kid. And he was a natural athlete. He played football, basketball, and baseball. And he was recruited by the New York Giants to throw pitches. He was a pitcher, you know, he threw heat either he struck you out or knocked you out. That's how that's how my father through Pit Boss. Somebody was in there, like, Oh, my God. Horton is a maniac, you know. So I had that background, but my grandfather pushed my father so hard that he just despised the whole training aspect of exercise. So his philosophy was to do the opposite. He just left me alone, you know. And the only the only team that I made was the high school football team, my senior year because I came into high school with a with a broken tibia and fibula. So I didn't you know, I couldn't play any sports that first year. And then I you know, I played intramural sports and tennis I went out from the tennis team didn't make it. You know, I was just sort of a wannabe athlete, because I didn't have good coaches and mentors and teachers and my father left me alone. So, but I was a fan of sports. I mean, I loved watching baseball and hockey and soccer and soccer so much, but but foot football and basketball. I was a big basketball fan. I love the New York Knicks, you know what I mean? And the Mets, you know, and the Jets, the Jets, Mets and Knicks who my team's because we, we grew up in Connecticut, we were down in the panhandle of Connecticut. So we got to New York feed. So it was all about the New York teams.

Craig Clemens  8:44  

But you want to be as a kid. Yeah, we have a thing. I want to be on TV when I grew up, oh, no teaching people work out, or did you want to be a fighter pilot or, you know, no matter?

Tony Horton  8:55  

You know, what I had, I had so little ambition as a kid, I was a huge procrastinator. And because I wasn't a great student. And because I struggled so much in school, I was pretty much just scared to death most of the time. And I was just trying to survive from moment to moment, you know, I was just trying to get through the day, try not to get my lunch money stolen or beat up at the bus stop or, you know, getting another D plus on a test. You know, it was really sort of, I was in pure survival mode. until maybe through the end of high school, I began to get my act together. I was in the I was in the theater arts department and I was in a couple of plays and my confidence was growing a little bit and, and I was petrified of women. petrified. Like some girl tried to hold my hand in junior high school. I don't think I've ever told this story before. And I panic, I started crying. Girl. I mean, she was awesome. And she was beautiful. I don't know what to say to her, you know? So I was a weird little kid. It was a weird little kid. Yeah. And what were you later teenagers like?

Unknown Speaker  9:53  

Well, you know,

Craig Clemens  9:55  

did you want to go to college or what did you want to know?

Tony Horton  10:00  

had a sense of humor early on no can I send to humor was how I got by, I could always turn a phrase. And I was pretty good with sarcasm. And I could do a couple of pretty pathetic impressions. And I knew a couple of jokes. And that was my way of surviving. Because when you've got a speech thing, right, when it's really hard for you to get a sentence out, it's like a lot of those singers that you see that you know, that have these horrible speech impediments. But when they sing, they sound like angels. And for me, like when I took on a role, or I told a joke, it went away. And so, so that's what I was able to do. And that's how I attracted other people and women or girls at that point. And so it really was my sense of humor. And that was my parents, you know, they didn't have that they weren't? No, there was nobody in my family that had that. I don't know why, for Somehow, I could always see things that were funny, I could always turn the phrase, like I said, and, and that's how I survived for a long time. And then, you know, later on, when I first I remember, I had a conversation with my uncle, my father's brother on his wedding day. And I was going off to the University of Rhode Island going off to college. And john, my uncle john said, You know, I know you've had a tough time in high school, and it's been kind of rough for you, and I talk to your parents about it. And I really respect it. And like this guy, he was really sharp. He went to Japan, you know, I mean, he was an intellectual. And he was having this conversation with me, you know, of all people on his wedding day. So I took it very seriously. And he said, you know, forget about what happened to you and elementary school or junior high school or high school, you're going off to college, this is a completely different place. It's a completely new town. I want you to just lay low, you know, and try to reinvent yourself because you can. And that's kind of what I did you know what I mean? I kind of came in with some manufactured swagger.

Unknown Speaker  11:37  

Hmm, you know, yeah, I was doing I was,

Craig Clemens  11:41  

yeah, like, look at it surfer guys. me like, okay, that's a cool bracelet. I'll try that.

Unknown Speaker  11:45  

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right.

Tony Horton  11:47  

So I mean, anyone I went to your I, you know, I didn't have to work so hard. You know, people were kind of drawn to me, because at that point, I had sort of created a persona that I was comfortable in, you know, it was, you know, I mean, I there was still this insecure kid. But at the same time, there was this other kid that was like, Okay, I'm here, I'm going to meet some new friends. And I was very fortunate that my tribe, my early friendships, were really great guys. And they didn't judge me. And we were just had a lot of fun. And we, you know, we would drink our beers and smoke our pot, and hang out and go to basketball games. And, and my grade point average was not great. But it was enough to get me through school, you know what I mean, I finally hunkered down. And you know, in college, you get to pick courses that you that are interest you, you know, so that's what I, you know, I got away from reading, writing and arithmetic. And I took some courses that I that I enjoyed that I would show up to class for actually study. So, but the funny thing was, I never graduated, because, you know, I didn't do great every class. And I was I was four or six credits short, but my senior year, and a friend of mine called me and said, Hey, I want to go to California for the summer 1980. And I thought, okay, I'll go do that. And I'll come back, and I'll finish these six classes and, you know, get married, have kids and move to Boston or something. And I came out here and you know, hello, you live here to this place is a land of opportunity. It was for me almost immediately. I mean, I should say, I had the enthusiasm to kind of begin to figure things out here, because I fell in love with the place. Okay. I mean, you know, and there weren't, you know, back in Rhode Island or Connecticut, there weren't gyms on every corner. They're here all over the place. And you know, back there in those days in the 70s, and 80s, the gym was at the high school or was at the college university. It wasn't, you know, on the corner there and there was bodybuilding gyms, Sears and Roebuck gyms and yoga gyms and all kinds of different things. So, I fell in love with the culture. Immediately, you know, I'm playing volleyball on a Saturday. And then you know, by Friday, I'm up in Mount Baldy skiing. And I know this is pretty damn cool this place, you know what I mean? And it was 72 and sunny every day, almost, you know,

Craig Clemens  13:45  

kind of like today that's for taxes. Yeah.

Tony Horton  13:48  

Yeah. So you know, um, but you know, I mean, I was broke, flat broke, I'd have to call my parents for money every once in a while, and they would give it to me. And they gave me about six months to, you know, be done with the silliness out here. And they wanted me to come back. Then they just stop. They said, okay, the money trades done. We're not gonna you know, now they write me a check for 100 bucks, you know, I mean, it wasn't like they're sending me a lot, right? Just enough to get me through a couple of weeks, which isn't Top Ramen. Exactly, right. And when I ran out of money, I would I would have to, you know, I was I was a street performer. One of the things that I did do back in college in high school was I took this pantomime class, from a protege of Marcel Marcel, this guy, Michael grando. And I just fell in love with it because of the speech thing that I still had. I figured, you know, mine, I can still perform, I can still do these funny bits. And that translated to my survival out here in California, have you done that on the street, I'd have to do it on the street, I would be out of money, none. And I had rent to pay. So I go down to the Santa Monica Pier, the homeless her most appear or I go into Westwood, you know, because of all these UCLA students down there. And I would throw the hat down and I put on the white face and the black and white outfit and I'd get out there and I'd walk in the wind and be in the box and climb the fake ladder and and it's different when you're Performing because you love it as opposed to performing, because you got to feed yourself, that's a more desperate place you're in. And especially, you know, he be out there and people are making fun of you and or they're taking your money or whatever, it's, it's pretty brutal. But I would you know, I'd try to make 25 bucks when I thought I saw 25 bucks in the hat, that would be enough for me to get the hell out of there. Oh, wow. So I go to the corner liquor store, and I would buy some Cheerios, and yogurt, vanilla yogurt, and I would live on that three meals, you know, three meals a day? I'm not just that sure.

Craig Clemens  15:30  

Yeah, and then you'd get up and mime it again, I'd go again.

Tony Horton  15:34  

Or I would build a box or I'd get a gig, you know, there was a company that worked with for a while where I was a statue of frozen statue, and they would hire me to be in a store window, or there was a lot we'd all hop on a bus, we go out to Vegas, and I would you know, I'd be on a table, right, a big serving table, I'd be up there as an Indian or as a as a fireman or whatever. And I would be frozen. And we looked like actual statues. And the idea was, as people were going through the buffet line, and there was like five or six of us on this

Unknown Speaker  16:00  

on the table with the food and well, how often are you allowed to move? Um,

Tony Horton  16:04  

well, you were supposed to not move for about the first 30 minutes.

Craig Clemens  16:08  

Okay,

Tony Horton  16:08  

because they wanted people to kind of, you know, come in and actually, you know, we had to be in a position where, yeah, I mean, seriously, you could be, but you know, just like dad or whatever. And then you would, then you would turn down, you could say shit, like,

Unknown Speaker  16:22  

try the lobster. You know,

Craig Clemens  16:24  

you're allowed to do that. Oh, that's the 30 Minute. Mark, did you get to eat the buffet for free?

Unknown Speaker  16:29  

Yeah, after word after word. You know, you have to do the gig first.

Tony Horton  16:31  

Yeah, one of the jobs that I got hired a lot to do is during during, during the Oscars, I would I would be an Oscar. So they would put me in a gold LeMay skin tight neoprene outfit, and there was a zipper in the back and the two little slits. I mean, the whole thing was just a zipper. And then you would you would hold the sword. And it would be me on the stage, you'd be another actor on the other stage. And we would have to not move for the longest time. And you know, I mean, there was this one guy that they work with me. And you could see him start, like a stand up, you know, it was during the Oscars or no, no, it would be like a big Oscar party in Vegas where they would, they would come in like like, like executives from Kodak, or from something in the high rollers, the high rollers would all come in, and we'd be there and we wouldn't be able to move. And the only thing we were supposed to do then would be

Unknown Speaker  17:22  

right, you know, when he moved

Tony Horton  17:25  

to Sydney with me. And then by the end of the night, you know, we're doing all kinds of stuff where you know, we're twirling the sword around. But yeah, so I mean, that's how I survived man. And, you know, fortunately for me, because I was a member of Gold's Gym and in a place called Meza Plex, and a couple others, couple of yoga studios, because that's where all the girls were, you know, that's how I learned how to how to, you know, train folks, one of the many jobs other than the carpenter or handyman or a plumber, or whatever else, I was doing all these different things, tending bar waiting tables, you know, manager of the oak tree, men's clothing store, I mean, I had all these different crazy jobs. But I was going to the gym, and I was learning a lot about not and I wasn't taking kinesiology classes, and I wasn't learning about exercise science. But I was learning about how, what he like how people would go in there and how some would succeed and how others wouldn't. So I was in, I was watching some of the other trainers, and I was watching why some of them were successful, and other ones weren't. And I and I thought, wow, they're all you know, there was a certain formula that I was able to kind of create. And I was just exercising with buddies, like they were noticing my physical transformation. And they weren't getting that kind of transformation. And I said, you guys, you're doing the same thing. You're coming into the same machines, you do it the same way. You need more variety, variety, variety, right? You got to go to yoga class, you got to go to an aerobics class, you got, you know, today's just chest and back or legs, whatever it is. And so for me, because I had the attention span of a gnat on crack, you know what I mean? I was just, I just was so curious. And I just wanted to be as fit as I possibly could be. And I learned early on that if you kept doing the same things over and over again, you're not going to get the result that you want it so I was just showing friends initially what to do. And then they were getting results. Right. So one of the many jobs that I got early on was a runner for Julia Phillips. Julie Phillips produced Close Encounters of the Third Kind taxi driver investing with Robert Redford, Paul Newman. And her partner at that time was a guy by the name of Harlan Goodman. And Harlan used to be in the music industry, right. So he was used to work for a company called Easton management. And he wanted to you know, he wanted to spread his wings, he wanted to go make movies. So he and Julia hooked up. And I was their PA, a production assistant. And, you know, during that time, I was beginning to get in some pretty crazy shape. And Harlan noticed, and the job was super stressful. I mean, these these two are just, you know, ropes and every day, you know, I mean, I'm feeding the cat and I'm making water and I'm making coffee and I'm delivering scripts, and you know, whatever changing light bulbs, whatever they would give me to do, you know, and Harlan says you know, you're, you're looking more jacked and you're fitter. I said, I'm going to this gym and that gym, and he can you show me how to do it. So he was my first Pay cleanings. What do you want to charge me? I said, I don't know. 15 bucks a session? I don't know. Sounds good. You're already paying me to do this gig. I mean, I don't know if the chat charge you. So he and I would get up in the morning before we went over to, you know, the production company over on the fox a lot. And we work out in a buddy's garage, and he lost 40 pounds. And he got super lean. And he looked as good as he ever did better than he did in high school. And so, I went, oh, wow, if I can train Harlan, I'll train you know, a couple other people on the lot. And I met this doctor and his wife and I started training him, you know, and all of a sudden, they had four or five clients and no degree, no degree not certified, just just based purely based on what I was learning what I was seeing and how I was getting results. So it worked for me,

Craig Clemens  20:40  

give me any clients that See you on the buffet, and they're like,

Unknown Speaker  20:43  

I want to know, I don't know, I was

Tony Horton  20:46  

to probably had too much makeup costume on for them to notice. But yeah, so So I started training Harlan and I got him in great shape. And then I thought to myself, do I still need to be a carpenter and a handyman and work retail and wait tables and do all that maybe I could be a trainer. You know, so then I just picked up a lot more books. You know, so I was self taught and I called the Abe Lincoln technique, you know, and I just figured it out on my own before getting a certification from anybody.

And, and Harlan was walking down the hall, so he quit the whole moviemaking thing because it didn't work out. Because Julia was was pretty, pretty tough to work for, as we both knew. And he was walking down the hallway back east and IT management, you know, and he, Tom Petty was walking down the hall. And I talked about this in my book too, but but you know, and Tam sees Harlan, in towns from Gainesville, Florida. He says Harlan, you look you look incredible. I'm What happened to you? Because while I'm working on working out, ma'am, I've never, never worked out but I'm going on tours. You know, I'm going in for months and I'm fat. like nobody likes a fat rocker. So you got to get in shape. And this is why I can't do it because I got a guy. You know, I'll give you this phone number. So Harlan gives Tom Petty my phone number. And they're too late to the phone rings. My roommate picks it up my roommate who was my best man at my wedding Bob Hennessy.

Unknown Speaker  22:12  

Hey, it's time Petey. I'm looking for Tony Horton and

Unknown Speaker  22:15  

polio.

Tony Horton  22:17  

Dude, I think it's perfect downstairs like one of my my one of my practical joke friends. He says he's not pregnant dude, hang up the phone. It's not Tom Petty's like calling up mouse click you know. So

Craig Clemens  22:28  

it gets that a lot.

Tony Horton  22:29  

Yeah, I don't think I forgot that before. Yeah, you know, it's not the fifth But hey, I think we got disconnected. It's time Patty. Some Bob looks at me and goes, dude, I think this is really Tom Petty. What? Hello? Hi, I'm Tom Petty. I'm a friend of harlands you got them in great shape. You know, I'm going on tour I got to get in shape can you come to my house train my wife and I and it was just one of those flabbergasted. It's like one of those tipping points in your life right? Is the is you rarely get you know, you're lucky some people don't get them but I did. And so the next day I went to Tom's house and he's you know, I walk in stunning house in Sherman Oaks and gold records on the wall everywhere. And he comes in smoking a cigarette puts it out, you know, because I don't know about this fitness thing. But I mean, I'm all in you know, I got to get in shape. So I had him for four months. And it was you know, the first two months were kind of brutal because he was learning from scratch right?

Craig Clemens  23:23  

Wow, never

Tony Horton  23:24  

right? So no certifications no it no whatsoever. And I thought to myself, I cannot hurt this guy. I got this guy's got to get results. This is super important. Because his management company's like, Who the hell is this? Like, they just, you know, there was a lot of tell me who you are and what have you done and blah, blah, blah. And a lot of it I just made up you know, I just because I didn't want to screw the gig. And I started really slow with him. I mean, really lightweight. And I knew what to do. I've been doing it for you know, a couple years at that point. And he'd started out with eight pound dumbbells bench pressing, right. And I first time I gave him the dumbbells. He's laying on his back and his arms go, right? Whoa. So don't tell me it goes like this. Put them on. I put them on the old life cycle. I got him I got him a bench. I got him a heavy bag. I got some dumbbells. I got him a stationary bike. Just to start off, he had a little tiny space. And so I got all that stuff for him. And he was on level one. It was on level one on a lifecycle for a minute and 23 seconds and ran out of gas. So I just turned it off. took all the tension I Oh yeah, that's better without the tension. By the end, I've had him on that thing for 25 minutes at level six level seven. I mean a massive massive improvement. In at the end he was benchpress and 45. Right kerlin 30s. And because he's an ectomorph he's a skinny little dude, he's naturally thin. He just got results really quick, a little potbelly. That disappeared pretty fast. And he ate pretty clean. I got him to eat better. I mean, that's how the whole thing started. I mean, I

Craig Clemens  24:49  

tried to get him to quit smoking. No, there was

Tony Horton  24:52  

no, I'm not giving up the cigarette. Because I don't smoke that often. But if you think about even with the cigarettes, he improved, I mean, he was Awesome on the heavy bag. I mean, he beat the shit out of that thing. And, you know, I knew the basics I knew jab, cross, you know, kick side kick back, kick, spin, kicks, spin punches and things like that. He was uh, you know, he was a quick study because he wanted it badly and I had a whole four months with him so and that's that's how you know and then everything that's really the the tipping point for me that's how my whole life changed.

Craig Clemens  25:22  

People hear you're working with Tom Petty and they want a piece of that are they are they see the results are a little boy. Yeah. I mean,

Tony Horton  25:28  

they saw the guy on stage with just a vest on. Like, he never went on stage with just a vest on or a tank top on. And he's jacked. I mean, you know, he was vascular and strided. And, and he's his voice was amazing. And his stamina was amazing. Because it really keep in mind the first time I got on my life cycle, he lasted for a minute. 23 seconds. Right. So how does he

Unknown Speaker  25:48  

know now? He's doing 20? Yeah. 25 on a stool or so? Yeah,

Tony Horton  25:50  

a lot of times guy, you know, the tours long land up on a stool, right. So the rest of the band was pissed off because the sets were longer, you know, but and so right after that, you know, Tom, Billy, I will call and Annie Lennox Coleman, who Springsteen called

Craig Clemens  26:06  

Billy Idol. Just call your house because this is previously called

Tony Horton  26:09  

my house directory email. Yeah. Oh, there was no there was no texting. There was no Yeah, yes. This is the this is

Craig Clemens  26:17  

late 80s. So you want to introduce someone you would give them? someone's phone? Yeah. Call.

Tony Horton  26:23  

Tom and Billy had the same management company. Okay. So the people, at least in management just said, you know, Billy, I guess saw Tom's results. And everybody at the office said you got to call this Tony Horton guy because look what happened to Tom. And you know, so then, and then right late. It's, uh, it's really idle. Yeah, man. I mean, I can't say everything that he said. What the EFF man. I mean, effing. You know, Tom Petty looks amazing. Can you come over? You know, so, right. I did you know, and so I went over to Billy's house. And I trained Billy, every Monday through Friday for five years. I saw him Monday through five days a week, five days a week. I was at his house Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, five days a week. He was totally committed. And I got him. You know, Tom was lean. Yeah, but but Billy had a little, a little metamorphism. He had a little, you know, he was more of them. He built muscle a little easier than Tom did. And he was into it. And he used to own Stevie Nicks his place. So he moved. So his compound was his main house is a cool cul de sac in the middle of this beautiful tree in the middle. And in what used to be sort of her library, we just knocked on all the walls and we built his gym. And he had enough space where he had a treadmill and a heavy bag and a stationary bike and, and, you know, a big bench and more bells and whistles, you know, so we could kind of do more there. And upstairs was a studio, you know, so he had his gym down below and studio up above. And same thing I had quite a bit of time with him and I got him. I got him super strong, you know?

Craig Clemens  27:57  

Well, I did that lead to Bruce Springsteen. How that? Yeah, I

Tony Horton  28:00  

mean, the Bruce Springsteen was another angle, actually, my roommate at that time was was his PA. And I think they had just gotten rid of their trainer. And, Tom, my friend said to Bruce, you know, I mean, I don't know if you know about Tony Horton, but but, you know, he's trained and trained Billy, he got him in shape. He got Tom in shape. And so when I first went to the house, Bruce didn't workout with me. His wife did. Patti scialfa. So it's kind of Patty's thing, right. So, so I mean, this is how the story goes. It's kind of trippy. But but so I trained him because they are they're only in town periodically. They live in Jersey. You know what I mean? But they have a nice little spot here in LA.

Craig Clemens  28:37  

I'm sorry to interrupt. But would you go on tour with these guys as

Tony Horton  28:39  

I went? I went on a tour in the party and dives. Yeah, I went on tour with with the with Tom. Oh, yeah. When I when partway through that first tour after I got him in shape. He called my parents house. I was there for the Fourth of July weekend. You know, I don't know, I did not give Tom my parents phone number. But he called up my parents house and my mother to talk to you. Oh, I didn't know we went to Hey, Tony, I'm getting out of shape. You got to come on tour with us. You want to come? And I said yes. Excuse me immediately. And you know, I can't tell at least 60% of those stories. But But I was on. I was on the bus with him and his wife and his two kids and their bodyguard and the rest of the of the band was on another bus. And we went from town. I was I was there for the New York Long Island, New Jersey part of that tour. So I was there at Madison Square Garden. I was all over long island with him.

Craig Clemens  29:31  

Give us one story. Oh, man, I would be on tour with Tom Petty. That's so legendary.

Tony Horton  29:37  

You know what? You know, there weren't that many crazy stories, but I will say this. I will say this. When you're come off the boss and you've got your laminate on. It's really easy to have people. It's really easy to it's not you meet people. Who are you? I'm Tom trainees Tom Petty's trainer. Here's the key to my room. You know Man, thanks so so you know, I mean, and I was I was not you know, at that point in the game I was fortunately not dating anybody. I was pretty monogamous when I wasn't in a relationship. And it was happened to be a point when I was single. And so there was some you know, there was some wild stuff, some wild adventures there and you were shy before

Craig Clemens  30:17  

that super shopping.

Tony Horton  30:19  

So super shy, and I was still shy even then. I mean, like, when I met a girl, it was a whole courtship thing was I was old school that way. Gosh, you know what I mean? And I got turned, I still got turned down a lot. You know what I mean? I mean, I was I, you know, I was kind of fit the fitness was attractive to women. But by the way, and my humor works. I was a fit guy who was funny, but I was broke. You know what I mean? Like, you know,

Craig Clemens  30:40  

and they're like, hey, hang on, babe. I gotta go mine for a minute. Yeah, yeah, well go to dinner.

Tony Horton  30:44  

I mean, I'm training all these celebrities. But I mean, I still live in a two bedroom apartment with a view of the convalescent home. You know what I mean? I have a rundown old Mustang and a beat up old Land Cruiser. That, would I The reason why I had two cars is because I'm driving all the way to LA and one would break down, I'd have to have the other one to drive around, you know, couldn't afford to rent a car. And so it was just kind of hand to mouth. You know, still I was still in debt. I was I had credit card debt up to up to my eyeballs, you know. So even though you know, I was fit, and I was funny, you know, a lot of women looked at me like, Oh, look, we live near me. I know, you hang out with Tom Petty and Billy islanding. Let me sell these people. But you seem to be kind of poor for me to hang out with. But so you know, when you're on tour, nobody knows any of that. Yeah, they just know that you're the guy with the laminate who's hanging out with the band. And so yeah, you got to meet some gals.

Craig Clemens  31:31  

Yeah. Okay. So you went to train Bruce's wife and his house? Yep. And he didn't want a part of it. Or, you know,

Tony Horton  31:38  

he had his own guy. No, his own guy's name was Tony. His trainer was named Tony as well. And he was very happy with with his his trainer. And, and, you know, they would come into town for a week or two, or maybe three at the most, and I would train her. And, you know, usually when I went to the house, I peeked my head into the kitchen, you know what I mean? And she'd be coming out. And it'd be like, hey, Bruce, hey, Johnny, I, you know, I Tommy's I mean, Bruce is a Tony. That was it. I mean, you know, shook his hand once. And then after, I don't know, after about a year or so. And this is when my first you know, venom. I'm now on television. Right now I'm on in the middle of the night, and I'm on you know, channel on earth. And, and the story was, and I every time they came to town, I always want to go to the show. So I'd call my roommate who is their assistant? Hey, dude, I can kind of get tickets. You know, he was at the Staples Center back back now Staples Center, like the the Great Western forum. Yeah, the Lakers used to play or something. And so you know, I always got amazing seats, and you just sit there and think, Oh, my God, this guy's insane. He's amazing. He's just such an amazing performer, you know. And so, but at the same time, my, my infomercials running. And so Tom, my roommate says, well, story goes, so I show up at the house, you know, for Patty's workout. And she's in street clothes, which usually means Oh, she forgot to call me or Yeah, whatever. And I, you know, I still got paid, they were very generous that way. But you know, to go all that way to their house and have to go all the way home. And so she comes out, she says, Hey, I can't train today. But Bruce wants to know if he wants, it's okay for him to work out with you. I'm thinking, wow, after like a year and a half. This is okay. Yeah, sure. Of course it is. Right. So their property, the way it's set up is they have a main house and there's a little path to kind of a four car garage, which is converted into one into a gym. And we're kind of walking through the woods, there's a little path through the woods. And he's got his workout book, right with us. Like you could tell this is covered in blood, sweat and tears this thing. You know what I mean? It's like, you can see the page has been worn down to a nub. And you know, he brings it with him. I think he was probably exercising on his own. So we're walking through the woods, and he goes, Hey, you know, after the show last night, which I and then I said, which by the way, you're Dude, you're so you're insane. You're amazing. It's amazing. I'm just so enjoyable. He goes, Yeah, well, we party, I got bed. And we turn on the TV. And there you are. So I turned to her. And I said, there's Tony and his, I think it was before p90x, I think was power 90 the program before.

Unknown Speaker  34:07  

Okay. And so he basically asked

Tony Horton  34:09  

Patti for permission if he could work out with me the next day. And so was this

Unknown Speaker  34:15  

television, like, you know, like, he knew me, I was in the house, in great shape be like me. I got my guy. You know, I mean, then he sees me on the tube. And it's like, yeah, I want to check that guy, you know? Yeah.

Tony Horton  34:26  

And so you know, then then, I mean, I went in, he goes, Okay, today's chest and back, or shoulders and ABS, whatever. And I said, and I took his, his little book, and I said, you want to try some new stuff? I sounds like you've got a routine and you like it. You know? How's your flexibility? How's your cardiovascular health? How'd you do you wear a heart monitor? I asked him some basic things, you know, oh, no, no, no. So I said, let's try some new stuff.

Unknown Speaker  34:48  

And he looked at me like

Tony Horton  34:50  

you know, like, I don't think people do that to Bruce very often, you know, I mean, anyway. Alright. And I you know, I put them to the stretch profile. We did a little bit Yoga. I wanted him up on the treadmill. And I told about a heart monitor. And of course, he wanted one. And I saw him every day for a couple of weeks there for a while. And then you know, they went often back to Jersey went on to or whatever. And I would see him periodically, but I was supposed to actually go on tour with with, with Bruce, but it was a six month obligation. And I was you know, I was acting at that point, I was working on commercials, and I had, I would have had to abandon everybody else. And I didn't want to just hand them some other trainer, you know, I mean, they were all and Annie Lennox and Shirley MacLaine and these other folks were sort of, you know, very used to me, so, I turned down that Bruce Springsteen tour who knows what that could have led to but

Craig Clemens  35:39  

and what is it like training Shirley MacLaine?

Tony Horton  35:41  

Oh, dude. Oh, God. I mean, she's a Hollywood legend. Yeah. Okay. She's part of the Rat Pack. One of the most vibrant, interesting, smart, funny. ends, nc 17 rated woman I have ever met my life, man. I mean, just she was like a shell. Every time I hung out with her, you know what I mean? I mean, she, she told some stories, man that. I can't tell. I don't know. I mean, no one's gonna see this right.

Craig Clemens  36:11  

No one's gonna see this. You can share it. I'll just you and I and the listener.

Tony Horton  36:15  

Well, you know, her, oh my God, I've never told the story on camera. And I'm going to have to tone it down a little bit just because I lose 90% of my fan base. And no one will buy ours my supplements. So her brother Warren Beatty was trying to do Dick Tracy right, this movie and he liked to produce it himself and direct it and start everything else. And so he didn't I you know, I'm probably I don't know if I'm getting the story. Exactly. Right. Because it was so long ago. But But he was trying to make this movie and he wanted a star. But you know, asking price. I mean, every has their asking price. And so Madonna was kind of up and coming at that point, right? And he said, Well, he was telling Shirley like, and this is her thing, this whole thing to me. And she loved to tell stories. Oh my god, the story that she told me and I wish I had them all written down. Or recorded, but this is before the phone. And so she says, He says what about this Madonna gal? why don't why don't I get her and Shirley MacLaine says, Yeah, you don't want to do that. I hear she's, she's hard to work with something along those lines. And he says, I'm going to get this I'm going to get her to be in it. So he started, you know, dating her. And so then he said, you know, so hey, you want to be this movie I'm doing now that we're dating and she agreed to it for maybe a less less, I'm gonna get in trouble

Unknown Speaker  37:20  

now.

Tony Horton  37:22  

Like, somebody watches this thing. Anyway, so he gets with Don, here's how he gets Madonna. To get in the movie. He decides to have a little dinner party at his house, right? So he puts on a if Warren Beatty or Sheila McLean or Madonna seizes, they're gonna go that's not true. But this is how I remember it. Okay, so leave me alone. So he puts together he gets a bunch of food catered. And he puts it in pots and pans in the kitchen as if he cooked it. And he's got the kiss to Chef vivaan in the hat on. And I don't there's 10 people in his dining room. And he says to Shirley MacLaine, I want you to sit next to Madonna and entertain her and talk to her. And so oh my god. So So I guess apparently, surely is getting perturbed by a lot of her caught what the conversation is. And, and you know, and she used some salty language to describe her feeling about that. And so he's coming in with all this food, right? He's popping it down on the table. And he comes in with this huge tray with a with a cloth over the top of it. And he plops down on the dining room table. And Madonna says what's under the cloth. And, and Warren Beatty says, corn on the cob. And Madonna says corn on the cob. And and this is surely telling me this story about how the two of them are having this back and forth about cornella calm and in Warren says yeah, it's corn lockup. And Madonna says you're serving corn on the cob. And Warren Beatty says, Yeah, yeah. what's what's wrong with corn on the cob? And Madonna says, Who eats corn on the cob? You're more Beatty says.

Unknown Speaker  39:00  

What do you mean? Who eats corn on the cob?

Tony Horton  39:02  

What country did you go up? It's America. It's corn on the cob. She goes I cannot believe you're serving corn on the cob. It's so Warren Beatty says to her. Why Wow. It's cool to come in so surely says while this is going back and forth about corn on the cob. Shirley MacLaine says she takes the cloth she picks it up she grabs one she turns him down and says if you say corn mccobb one more time. This one is going right up your fill in the blank.

Unknown Speaker  39:33  

Oh my god. Oh, wow. Yeah, man. So that's it. Thank you very much. That's the end of my career. All right. That's

Craig Clemens  39:40  

it and Madonna worm baby surely thank you for doing ear muffs during that story. Yes.

Tony Horton  39:45  

Thank you for that was a fictional story is trying I'm just trying to

Craig Clemens  39:51  

Oh man, that must have been so interesting being behind the scenes and a lot of these lives of some of these.

Tony Horton  39:56  

Well, like like, Billy you know, Billy invited me to his home for For parties and things, you know, there's a Billy Idol story, which I don't think he would care about, which was just awesome. You know what I mean? Like, so we had a routine, right? So he had this gate, this green gate when so when you came up his driveway, you could see part of the house because the house was, you know, protected because of this gate, and in this gate that opened up a fence and then the gate. So I would hit the code. And he knew when I was there, because he had security cameras, he could hear the gate open up. And so some of the time, you could see his spiky hair come down, I could see a spiky hair come down the stairs and the gate would open. And he'd flipped me the bird standing from the car, and he'd flipped me the bird. And then I would flip him the bird. And we would do that until I pulled up right next to him. And then he would pivot. So he'd end up here at the driver seat, and he'd still be holding the bird. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't look at him. So as my window went down, my bird went up, my bird would go up. And so we were like bird, the bird, right? And he lean in the car. You kind of look around, you

Unknown Speaker  40:58  

know, how often you showed up? Was it shoulders and triceps today?

Tony Horton  41:04  

I guess it is, and you know, and then we go about our business. But sometimes I would hit the code. And and then if he didn't come out, I would have to I would have to ring the bell and go get him. And so in this particular case, he had a visitor, a young lady, and I rang the bell, and I opened the door and there she was, and she was naked. And so it's like, oh, boy, rock and roll. What a cool life. And so I'm trying to figure out where to look, you know, I mean, like, oh, Billy's not ready yet. Would you like to come in?

Unknown Speaker  41:35  

All right. So you

Tony Horton  41:38  

know, I come in, and we go into the kitchen, you know, and she goes, You want some water and I'm trying I'm having a conversation with a naked girl in his kitchen. And I'm drinking water. Like, you know, we're talking about plot ease or something. I don't know what we're talking about. And so the way his house is set up is while you're in the kitchen, you can look down the hall to where his bedroom is. And I can see him coming down the hall, like making all these crazy gestures that I can't do here. And it's like, like, all right, like, he's just like, he's just so happy that he you know, sprung this naked girl on me. And he comes into the kitchen like, you know, he's doing all this crazy stuff. And he comes in the kitchen. Right? Well, you met surely or whatever, Sally. Whatever name was. I said, Yeah, she. He looks at me goes nice girl. Yeah, very seems to be very nice. So we go outside, close the door. He looks at me. He goes, rock and roll, man. friggin hell. Right. Right. I mean, come on. Look at that, you know?

Unknown Speaker  42:31  

I mean, it was just, you know, that's life. Yeah, it was fun.

Tony Horton  42:36  

I mean, it was such so much better than doing mine at the pier. And we wait tables, you know?

Craig Clemens  42:40  

Yeah, yeah. So at this point, you're on TV. Now Did someone put you in a workout program with no degree No. Training certificate first.

Tony Horton  42:49  

The first when I when we first did, the first thing that we did over Beachbody was something called great body guaranteed. And I didn't have any certifications whatsoever, yet. Plain and simple, you know. But then, you know, people over there, including the CEO of the company said, Hey, you know, we have to start get we have to kind of people requiring like, what's your background? Like? Who are you? Like, why are you like, Who is this guy? You know, out of nowhere? Why is why do we trust this guy? So I went got my first you know, General certification. You know, I did the whole kinesiology thing and actually science thing and learned about, you know, basic fitness yet took the test pass the test. And that was that, you know, okay, um, but half the stuff that was, you know, on that agenda for me to read was was ancient, like a lot of the certification at that time. It was just,

Craig Clemens  43:35  

yeah, you know, just as a basic,

Tony Horton  43:37  

yeah, it was like, Oh, my God, this, I wouldn't train anybody like this. I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't. You know, what if I don't have this machine, or what about this particular exercise injures people, you know, I mean, it was just archaic.

Craig Clemens  43:46  

And you hadn't developed something that worked because you were doing that for a living.

Tony Horton  43:49  

I was I was doing, I was the original guinea pig.

Unknown Speaker  43:53  

Originally, it was the next guinea pig. Okay, no,

Tony Horton  43:55  

Tom Petty was really my first celebrity guinea pig. But I was training doctors and lawyers, and I was driving all over town training everybody at that point. And my goal early on was to make the whole process fun to give people a ton of variety. So they don't get hurt. They don't get bored. And they don't plateau. So most people quit exercising or stop exercising or say they exercise doesn't work for them. Because they get bored, they get hurt, and they plateau. And so if you're given a variety of somebody, if you can make a kind of fun if you try to keep your expectations down, right, or give them realistic expectations, and you also tell them I'm one of the thing is, you're too attached to the aesthetic outcome too soon.

Unknown Speaker  44:33  

Hmm. You know what I mean?

Tony Horton  44:34  

So let's not let's just take like, let me tell you, I had Tom Petty for four months, and I saw him five days a week, I saw Billy Idol five days a week, and things don't start happening. And for a lot of people, you know, we got different body types. ectomorph mesomorph, endomorph. You know, I mean, you got big people, skinny people, most people who build muscle, a lot of it has to do with your genetics. A lot of it has to do with your pain threshold. A lot of it has to do with your diet. A lot of it has to do with the barometric pressure in the room when you're exercising, you know what I mean? And so, you know, let's all keep these things in Mind, let's keep our expectations realistic, unless you show up every day, because every day you exercise, you're going to feel better. So let's just focus on that. Let's focus on the quality of your life, your cognition, your memory, your sex drive, like all these things that improve the minute you're done. You know, I mean, like, you know, you do a yoga routine, who you are before and who you are after a completely different people. And that happens in an hour. All right, so you're not going to be you're not going to go from a size 16 to a size six, in three weeks. That's just not realistic. So I was pretty good at transcending that kind of Intel to people. And once they, once they, you know, I said, hey, look, What's your reason why, and I would hear what the reason why was and I would say that reason why is bullshit. Because the reason why you've never had any success up to this point is because your reason is lame. I mean, you care too much about breast, breast sizes, dress sizes, and the numbers on the scale and inches and all that and you care too much about what other people think of you. Like, how about you started thinking about how you want to feel about yourself? Mm hmm. All right, how about let's focus about that. And let's pretend the scale that was never invented and take measured, it doesn't exist, and that everybody that your people's opinions don't matter? Because what matters is how you feel in your own skin. Yeah, right. And so that's how I was able to get like, none of that was in any of those books

Unknown Speaker  46:07  

didn't exist.

Tony Horton  46:09  

Right. And so, and I mean, I created that philosophy in those techniques, purely based on, on, on what worked for me what worked for my friends, and and it took all the pressure off, man, all the pressure came off, like, oh, okay, here's your reason why. It improves the quality of your life and improves your energy and enthusiasm for your life. It cleans out your brain, it's Miracle Gro for your brain. Just gonna, you know, you're going to be less stressed out, you're going to be you're going to feel better about yourself. And oh, yeah, oh, by the way, you're gonna lose a bunch of weight and look amazing. Maybe in two months, maybe in three, maybe in four, maybe in six? I don't know. Who cares, right? I mean, right now you're doing everything you can to survive, oh, big deal up, you know, I mean, everybody everybody else is doing that you want to thrive thriving is showing up eating right period. Because that's the foundation of who you should be. Yeah, as opposed to money, or staff or your hot girlfriend, or the bullshit that people you know, blow up your skirt. You know what I mean? So, so let's focus on on just feeling really good in your own skin. I mean, to me, it's about joy and happiness as much as possible. That's what exercise really is. Because when you do eventually lose the weight, and you do fit into clothing, that looks really nice. And you have all this energy, enthusiasm for life, and you can do stuff. Because when you're out of shape, you can't do things. So you have to you have to fill in the blank with whatever drugs alcohol rock and roll, I don't know what it is you have to fill it in with something else. Because you can't feel physically do things. Now you go on bike rides, now you can go rock climb, now you can go heli ski, now you can go, you know, go to Kilimanjaro, now you can go take a bike ride in France, now you can like, you know, expand your life and have and build awesome memories. That's what fitness is. That's what eating right is. It's just

Craig Clemens  47:45  

all that. And is that where the 90 days came about to get them to do a 90 day commitment to that or,

Tony Horton  47:51  

you know, the CEO of Beachbody said, How long will it take? I say, dude, it's gonna take three months. And for some people it's going to take for, you know, I mean, had to give some kind of timeframe. So, so yeah, yeah. Because we weren't here to tell. And these workouts have to be hard. And they got to be 45 minutes to an hour.

Craig Clemens  48:07  

Yeah, cuz it was an intense program, right? How many days a week? Six, six days a week six, hard work. No

Unknown Speaker  48:12  

one has ever done that

Craig Clemens  48:14  

before. Yeah, the other infomercials are like eight minute abs and, you know, squeeze that there's anything wrong with that assignment,

Tony Horton  48:20  

which I was in that commercial bottle, and I was in a minute. So now I was in the thighmaster. Commercial. Oh, no, I think the thighmaster is a way to go. Well, yeah. It's my first acting

Craig Clemens  48:28  

gig. Oh, well, and so p90x, you put it together as really the first thing on TV that says, hey, you're gonna work your frickin ass off. But you're going to get results. And people really responded to that?

Tony Horton  48:40  

shockingly, yes. Not initially, though. Not initially, not initially. A lot of people saw that and were very intimidated by it. Yeah. Because what they saw were that were the before and afters of people who went through the test group. So you know, a lot of people thought, Oh, well, okay, it was a control group. Okay, probably fed him, you know, like, you know, wheat grass. Yeah, peanuts, and they were forced to show up to these workouts. And then what was happening was the advent of the Internet. I mean, the internet was sort of brand new at that point. And people were, you know, going from videotaping like this to videotaping like this. And so we were getting all these before and after photos and and in in stories, we were getting this videotape these stories that people and we didn't ask for it. We didn't you know, we just did stuff. Just they just wanted to tell us how great it was working. So we, you know, we thought to ourselves, well, let's take all that footage of the test group out, even though it was real it happened. That's what what they showed us the workout we told him to eat, right? We didn't even we didn't even give him a diet plan. We just said Hey, man, how about some lean protein? some healthy some vegetables and get off the hook? You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what we try and tell people to do. And the ones that did we used him in the infomercial. But but that first year, you know, it put it along, right? It really didn't do very well. And so we thought, well, maybe we'll break even here maybe we'll sell a couple hundred thousand if we're lucky. And then we put in that real footage with real people, like you know, bad lighting and everything else. Yeah, and people homeless. That's me, I can do this. That's me. I know I'm that guy. I'm that girl. This looks like something that I would have shot in my house or my garage or my basement, you know. And then, you know, went putt, putt putt. Number one show in the country number one media spend in the country for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks. And that and that, and that was 16 years ago.

Craig Clemens  50:20  

Did you finally quit acting? Because you mentioned that when you Oh, I don't know. I mean, I did. I did about four fighting. It was a big passion for you.

Tony Horton  50:25  

I loved it. I loved Yeah, I mean, I did about four or five pilots that never none of them ever got,

Craig Clemens  50:29  

okay.

Tony Horton  50:30  

got, you know, I mean, I even I even financed the pilot that was called the boardroom. That was funny, it was great. And we went to all these different studios, and they loved it, but it never got picked up. And so you know, and I, you know, I was doing stand up comedy in the old days, in along with waiting tables and tending bar, and, you know, handyman I was, you know, trying to be a comic, so, which is hard as hell. But all those different skills, the acting skills, and the comedy skills and all that, you know, all those tough times added up to be the person that I am now that like so that I can be on that on camera, with a cast, transcending the message in a way that no one had ever done it before. Like people say what was the key to that program, I said that was a great set was a great cast, it was well rehearsed. It was the muscle confusion, which was a made up term, really, it was just a word, it was just a way of saying, we're not gonna do the same thing every day, six days a week. And guess what, you're gonna do six different things in that week. And then you're going to do that again. And again and again. In the fourth week, we're going to change it up and in the fall in the second month, we're going to change it again. In the third month, we're going to change it again. Yeah, all right, because that right, boredom, injuries, plateaus. This, these are the things that happen to people who keep going to plot is all the time or keep going, Yeah, or keep going to spin classes all the time. You know what I mean? Maybe they don't get hurt in a spin class. But you're not going to be able to do pull ups, or push ups well, or have you know, stronger body, if you're just sitting on a bike, you're gonna get your heart, lungs legs, which is awesome. If you're a skier, great. If you want to go ride your bike, great. But you know, you want to get everything you want to get you want to get people to work on their strengths, and you want them to definitely work on their weaknesses. And that combination is what made, you know, made that thing.

Craig Clemens  52:01  

Yeah, I was one of those guys who was just lifting heavy for years, right. And I looked great. And I would do the deadlift, I do the squats, the bench press, you know. And then one day I got injured, just dancing, pop my backup, wow, dancing. Wow. And just randomly enough, while I was healing, my brother brought in a guy to our office who was a mobility trainer. And I never heard of mobility training before. And it blew my mind. I was like, wow, I shouldn't just be learning how to push a weight in one direction, as we're learning how to move my body. Right. And that's been a game changer. Right? Right. You know, something interesting, too. You mentioned how all of these skills that you had acquired and things you'd worked on was a, you know, led to the success of p90x. And I really believe also. It's because you're damn entertaining, you know, when we were?

Unknown Speaker  52:51  

Yeah, go on. Craig. What was that? I don't even know what that one.

Craig Clemens  52:56  

Yep. And it is important that our case in point Case in point, but I mean, for real, though, you know, it's it's important in keeping people engaged. So I have a friend, his name's David Knight Hill, and he trains speakers. And he teaches them that humor is the key to speaking success is not making your big point. It's not, you know, figuring out what to leave the audience with. It's keeping them laughing, because that keeps them engaged and paying attention. And he did a study of the most popular TED Talks online, he looked at the ones that all have, like, you know, 10 20 million views versus the crappy ones. Hmm. And he was trying to figure out what they all have in common. And it was laughs and he noticed that the most successful TED talks have more laughs per minute than the movie The Hangover. No kidding. Wow. Crazy. Right. And so, I think that your personality was a big part of getting someone to sit through this grueling workout plan for 90 days, because they wanted to be engaged. You know, we can

Unknown Speaker  53:53  

always gonna get to that, but I thought I'd let you do it. Yeah,

Craig Clemens  53:55  

you cannot take that. 20 bucks now.

Unknown Speaker  53:58  

Hold on. Yeah, there you go.

Craig Clemens  54:00  

Yeah, I have something you know, we and we go on this show. It's called greatest stories never told. And we go meta sometimes and talk about telling stories. And that's something people should keep in mind. If you want to tell a story and keep people engaged. Humor can be a great tool for that.

Tony Horton  54:16  

Yeah, but that that's a learned talent. Some people may look I was a kid scared to death. Massive procrastinator terrible in school. What did I have that naturally was always there. It was this sort of a sense of humor or, or a need to entertain. Because when I when I, when I wouldn't entertain people, they liked me. Alright, when I was serious, or boring, or whatever else, it was like, Okay, I'm just some of the kid in the room. But if I could, you know, if I could make a funny voice or imitate somebody or say something silly, then all of a sudden, you know, I'm likeable. Yeah, yeah. And, and, and you're right. I mean, if people are laughing, they're learning. Right? That's absolutely, that's absolutely true. And because then you remember those things, you know, you remember the things like, Oh my god, you know what he did? He said, this, this, this and this, and it was so funny, but you They don't forget what they don't forget the message that was

Craig Clemens  55:02  

that's buried in that because the mind is so engaged. Exactly, exactly. Now, I always joke that you don't look a day over 40 because you also pay

Unknown Speaker  55:11  

40 bucks back. Yeah, thank you.

Craig Clemens  55:13  

No better lighting in here is gorgeous. Oh, yeah. You know how to light a set that that's a go on? Go huge part of it. Yeah. But you had a health scare

Tony Horton  55:24  

of your own of epic proportions. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, real kick in the ass. That was two years ago, October, I got shingles in my right ear. And a lot of times when you get shingles, you can get it anywhere you get it on your face, your forehead or your back your shoulder wherever your torso. But when you get in your ear, it's really bad because there's a lot of nerves that go into your brain fifth, sixth and seventh facial nerves got destroyed. And so I ended up with Bell's Palsy for a little while, which is, you know, not so hot. Okay, makes your face makes your face melt. It looked like this. my right side of my face was paralyzed. work like wow, you know, it's like this. I had to drink out of a straw. Oh my I didn't blink. So I had to wear a patch. So yeah, it was pretty heavy duty. And you know, when those nerves are gone, your balance is shot. So it's not vertigo, but it's it's called vestibular hypofunction are bilateral vestibular hypofunction. So the shingles in your ear that kills nerves is called Ramsay hunt. Renzi, Ramsay hunt syndrome. And so when this when the syndrome is gone, that, you know, nerves are one of those weird things that don't necessarily heal at all. And if they do heal, it takes months and years. Like you can cut yourself, you know, the timeframe, you're gonna break bones, you know, the timeframe when you talk to a doctor and they asked you to talk about nerves and they go, so like, here's the timeframe for, you know, a sprain, bruise is cut broken bones, here's the timeframe for nerves. You know, it's just a lot of people that have what I have, are never better. They never they become become recluse they don't drive in the world gets really, really small. And so, you know, so when I was initially sick, because the the vestibular issue was so dramatic, I was so dizzy all the time. That that dizziness, like you know what happens when you're super dizzy, it gets you get nauseous, so you can't eat anything. So I lost 25 pounds. I slept 12 hours a night, I wouldn't call it sleep, I would just call it I don't want to get out of this bed. Like I can't get out of bed. Because I get out of bed, my feet hit the floor and I'd throw up. You know what I mean? And so when you're throwing up all the time, and you really does, you can't eat so I was drinking out of a straw. This was this was kind of my breakfast, lunch and dinner. And every once in a while I would get I would get some rice krispies in me or something. And it was a hideous, horrible existence, you know, and I fell into a deep depression, because I go see the, you know, various doctors and the auto Rhino laryngologist you know, the ear, nose and throat guy. And it's especially when I had the Bell's palsy and he goes, Well, everybody's faces a a, a typical or a symmetrical, asymmetrical. I go, that's great. Do you know what I do for a living? I mean, are you kidding me? Like, this is gonna that's it. Okay, sell the houses, sell the cars, I'm gonna have to move into a cave and my wife's gonna divorce me. I mean, you know, I would you know, and I don't think I've ever said this on camera before. But I would I was I was so distraught. And I was and there's, there's a lot of pain. I mean, you've got shingles in your face, and you're talking into your brain. I mean, there's so much pain. I'm so nauseous. I'm so

Craig Clemens  58:26  

sick. And I love to work out. You know, now, you know, I

Tony Horton  58:29  

can't drive. I can't even I can't I need help to get down the stairs into the kitchen. I mean, I felt like an invalid. I felt like a 90 year old man on the verge of dying. And you know, and I would just crop into a bomb put my head in my wife's lap and just sob man. You know? Because I you know, I like to have I like to feel good. I like to train hard like to have fun. I want to go ski I want to go you know, I mean I just really super active awesome life is stopped on a dime, you know, and, and it was a long and winding road. I mean, I'm in the best place I am but here it is two plus years later. And I'm on a diet right now. That is super restrictive. Because I'm trying not to feed the viral things and the Tauri things right so, so yeah, so I don't need spinach or onions or tomatoes or wheat or corn or dairy or whatever, all the Q tips and wheat and sawdust or whatever you tell me to eat because I like feeling the way I feel I'm not 100% yet. I mean the first I was miserable miserable for two months,

Unknown Speaker  59:31  

two months

Tony Horton  59:32  

like imagine having the worst cold in the world the worst flu in the world and living on Mount the top of Mount Everest naked that's how I felt I was just is hideous on the I mean, I know I can't emphasize it enough. Too much. And then I started to come out of it. Like little tiny improvements where I I didn't feel normal at all, but I didn't feel super miserable anymore. And that just took forever man. It took about a year before I could kind of be semi normal, but I would be I'd be at a at a stop sign. In the car, I go like this, my brain would say Hold on a second walk, walk, walk, walk, okay. And I'd have to look this way for the next car in my brain. So every time I any kind of quick movement, any kind of bright light, any kind of dark room, there were all kinds of variables

Unknown Speaker  1:00:15  

sound

Tony Horton  1:00:16  

smell. You know, I also had a gut level 10 tinnitus in my ear just like a

Unknown Speaker  1:00:26  

all the time, you know, I mean, it was just a myriad of hell that I was in need to create your own plan to come out of

Unknown Speaker  1:00:33  

this. Well, you know, people don't it sounds I mean, I had to go learn how to walk again.

Tony Horton  1:00:37  

I had to go to a physical therapist to learn how to walk, you know what I mean? And, and she would put like, crazy wrapping paper on a wall and hit it with bright light. And in the floor pattern was all weird. I remember my first gig after I, I was still wasn't right. I had a gig in Vegas. And I had a I had a suitcase, you know, one with four wheels, a little carry on. I had to use that as my cane to get to the man to get to the casino because I was, you know, I look like, I look like a drunk on a cruise ship in a hurricane. You know, I mean, the way I would walk, you know? And that's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. You know, it's assumed everybody thought I was drunk, you know. And some days, it's still sometimes it'll kick up to about a three, like, I'd say 10 is hell, it'll kick up to three or four even sometimes No, which is a little reminder. And so the beautiful thing of it though. I'm more consistent with my diet. I'm more consistent and more patient than I've ever been. I'm less stressed out than I've ever been before. I mean, I did plyometrics on Christmas Day by myself.

Craig Clemens  1:01:33  

Yeah, I got the email invited. Yeah, people. Yes. No, no one was around, everyone's a family. And you still did it. So there's, I

Tony Horton  1:01:41  

mean, it's it's two, it was always important. Now it's hyper important. And now I have my mindfulness practices is attend. You know, I meditate every day, I meditate all the time I meditate in the car, I have a men's group, I started a men's group as a result of what I went through, and we hang out together and talk about our feelings.

Unknown Speaker  1:01:57  

Just below that goes stuff like dudes, you know, like dudes will do. And

Tony Horton  1:02:02  

so a lot about who I am as a person. I mean, my wife really, you know, unless I'm a pain in the ass as I used to be. And, you know, I, I still had my little moments where I get a little irate but, but you know, I, whenever I get dizzy, oh, wow, this is a sign it's a sign or whenever I know, and then she's on top of that I didn't my EPS I, you know, epstein barr is also a viral thing. And so the epstein barr in the vestibule hypofunction would come together and I would be a dead man, you know? And so the diet change, the meditation, the mindfulness, all that sort of stuff is kept at bay for the most part.

Craig Clemens  1:02:41  

And what advice do you have to people who want to look like you do want to stay in shape? Is it working out six days a week? Or is it the metta meditation plus diet? all the above?

Tony Horton  1:02:53  

You know, I have a couple of expressions, one I trademark called do your best and forget the rest, right? So you have to wake up in the morning, decide if you want to want to do that. If you want to do your best today, what's your best look like if you had to write down what your best was and what your half ass was? You know what the differences? So every day, I try to try to do my best, you know, I don't I try not to focus on the other things that used to get my way. Also, the more you do, the better you get, right. So if you you know, if you're if we know we're doing some archery down there, right. I mean, if I did that every day with you for like, the next month, we wouldn't be getting Bull's eyes left and right. Right. So you're really good at your job, because you're so focused on it. You know, I mean, I mean, I've had some meetings with you and work with you and see what you've done. And I'm, I'm working with the people that you've hired. I mean, everybody's a rock star. I mean, you know, you're really good at that, because you have some history with it, right. And so when it comes to your health and wellness, yeah, you can't just exercise once in a while. And you can't just eat right once in a while, and you can't just have good sleep once in a while. It's an all the time thing. It's an all it's like people say all the time, all the time is 22 days a month,

Unknown Speaker  1:03:57  

minimum,

Tony Horton  1:03:58  

you got to work out 22 days a month. 15 means you took 15 days off. So you're gonna end up with exercise bipolar disorder, you know what I mean? I mean, you can have all the benefits from exercising and working out and feeling good. And then you're going to take two days off. Well, what a shock. It's so hard to get back in the game again after the fourth day. Yeah, you know, I mean, so so you know, it's kind of like the rest of your life, which just helps you survive. Now you want to thrive, right? Because you know, you don't miss meals. You don't you go to sleep every night, right? You go to work because you want to get paid. These are things that you automatically do all the time. And they're great because they help you live on the earth and pay your bills and not have to live in a cave. You know, I mean, so next level stuff all the time. Like my breakfast is clean. my lunch is clean. My dinner is clean. My snacks are clean. I mean, am I a freak? Am I am I an anomaly? Yeah, sort of. But I you know, you think I was doing this for a long, long time. It's so engrained and then after I got sick, turn the turn the volume even more, I'm more focused than ever.

Craig Clemens  1:04:54  

So I phrase again, do your best, do your best and forget the rest the best and forget the rest. You're asked I love that asking yourself when you wake up. Yeah. Am I gonna do my best today?

Unknown Speaker  1:05:04  

Yeah, there's today gonna be they were I eff off.

Craig Clemens  1:05:07  

Yeah. You know, and by the way, okay to probably get there once in a while.

Tony Horton  1:05:10  

Yeah. And you get to have downtime and you get to go on vacation. And yeah, you get to sit and watch ballgames and you get to have a couple of beers and you get to have a pizza. Yeah, you know what I mean? But like, you know, there's a line, right? I mean, the people who are really kicking ass. I mean, look at LeBron James. The guys, you know, 15 years in the league. He's 36 years old. And he's a monster, because he saw it, you know, and there are other guys in the league. And I, you know, I've worked with professional athletes that are making it just purely based on their skill level. And then they have a four year career, a three year career and they're gone. You know what I mean? I mean, how bad do you want it? Right? I mean, how bad do you want it? Yeah, I mean, the here's the tears. Like, what's that song? That was like the Godfather song? birth, school work death. I mean, that's it. That's your journey,

Unknown Speaker  1:05:52  

right? To some accent.

Tony Horton  1:05:55  

And so, you know, I mean, I'm 61 I hope to live to be 109 I don't know how long I'll live. But I might, you know, I mean, I got my skin in Jackson Hole last week. And because of this extra discipline as a result of, of what I went through being sick, you know, I mean, I do my legs. I work my legs, my heart, my lungs, my legs three times a week, because I'm a skier. So I do cardio on Mondays, I do an hour cardio on six or six, seven or eight machines. Three, four or five minutes each. I just bounce

Unknown Speaker  1:06:25  

around. Cool. Yeah. I like

Tony Horton  1:06:27  

like, Versa climber treadmill, heavy bag, rowing machine, jump rope, ski machine pop up for skiing.

Unknown Speaker  1:06:35  

Yeah, that's awesome. Because I'm not

Craig Clemens  1:06:36  

just on the bike or never in shape when I ski and I do skiing. Yeah. Because I felt like I made this use it. It has to be like the only sneak and work you're like, I have a I have a ski machine. Right.

Tony Horton  1:06:46  

Okay, guys, that's quads, glutes, bikes, quads, you know, right, versus climbers, Long's legs,

Craig Clemens  1:06:51  

you know, you have an insane workout setup at your home. So you don't have the excuses for different

Tony Horton  1:06:57  

little locations where I work out at home. While the whole house is a is like the Willy Wonka fitness. Oh,

Craig Clemens  1:07:01  

yeah. So and you organize groups, you have your friends come over and work out. And it's just it's a lifestyle thing. It's like that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it has to be.

Tony Horton  1:07:11  

I mean, you know, I mean, a lot of people get up in the morning it whatever. 430 before they feed the kids to go down to the basement. They live in Minnesota. Yeah, five degrees down there. And they do yoga plyometrics or something. I don't know who they are. But they're superstars. You know, I mean, they when I did play by myself, you know, I was gonna go in at noon, but I went and I ended up going in at three. So I had a three hour procrastination before I drag my ass in there. But some people are super, super hyper discipline to do it on their own. For me, I need my tribe. And you know, like, so if, if the question is, how do I, how do I sustain it? How do I maintain it? How do I how am I able to do it? I said, you need a purpose. Your reason has to be so rock solid, you have to seriously understand why you're doing this thing. And if it's first stetic reasons for your ego, you're screwed. So it's got to be about health and wellness and feeling good and being vibrant. Being a great parent being a great citizen on Earth. That's like you're, you're better when you work out and your worst when you're when you don't. I mean, it's that simple. You go into the escalator and it's out, you got to heavy bags. You got to get up that son of a bitch, right? You know, I mean, like when I go when I see people in line to get on the escalator, and there's a big pair of stairs in between, I think to myself, here's a golden opportunity to go up these things, work your legs, get your lungs working, which improves the quality of your brain. I mean, it's like there's these moments all the time and they're gonna stand in line and go up the escalator. Holy crap. So you want to be prepared for life because life's coming in. It's unpredictable, unpredictable, sometimes, right? So what's my purpose? I want to kick ass all the time got to work out. That's it. I want to feel good. I want my brain to good. My wife is younger than me. So I gotta you know, because exercises for your skin too. It's for your organs. It's all the stuff on the inside, you know?

Craig Clemens  1:08:41  

Yeah. And then

Tony Horton  1:08:42  

you need to plan you got to figure out what you're gonna do and when, and it's got to be 22 days a month, or more. 25 is awesome. 22 is minimum. I mean, it's that's your window. 2224 25 Yeah, you do 30 probably overtraining, you know what I mean? Yeah, you're gonna get hurt. Need days off. Got it. Alright, so and then I have, I don't have the calendar anymore. But I had for for 20 years, I would had a desk count, I'd write down the workout, and what time it was in the day. And then I would and then accountability is just your tribe, who you're going to do it with. And if you're one of those people who can go solo Good for you. But I mean, you know, 43 people invited the plyo on Sundays, the Sunday workout. You're coming too soon. I hope.

Unknown Speaker  1:09:23  

That's

Tony Horton  1:09:24  

16 people that are invited that list and then you know, the rest of the week. There's always somebody coming over the house. You know, I have

Craig Clemens  1:09:31  

a yoga studio that day off.

Unknown Speaker  1:09:32  

Yeah, that's great. Yeah. And the weird thing is if everybody cancels on me,

Tony Horton  1:09:37  

eight times out of 10 I'll just say, well, that's a sign that I should be taking the day off.

Unknown Speaker  1:09:41  

I Rebel on that, right? Yeah, yeah.

Craig Clemens  1:09:45  

Awesome. And we don't normally pitch on this show. But we're gonna pitch now man cuz you and I got an exciting project in the

Unknown Speaker  1:09:51  

business. That's right. We have been testing. Yeah, so right.

Craig Clemens  1:09:54  

Power life nutrition.

Tony Horton  1:09:56  

Ah, damn, this is I don't know what I'm gonna get Alex you Get revved up right now. But we got some really, really neat things coming out, you know what I mean? And what's really been awesome about your team and folks is that you've given me a big say in a lot of it. Like even the name power life, like we were back and forth about different things. And, you know, I mean, I was I never had a marketing background, but things just, you know, I have a general sense of what I think is cool and neat and sounds great. And power life is just a just a rocket name, and the fact that it's available, like holy smokes, that's just badass. And then picking the colors and the fonts and the photos and all of it and the way that they just the way it looks, you know, that's just on the outside, right? And then what's going on on the inside? I mean, your your science will, and his guy, his guys and gals on his team, you guys have been

Craig Clemens  1:10:43  

great working together really great. I mean, what a delicious, like next level compared to what else is out there on the market. I love the way you were looking at the other product lines that are out there and saying, How can we do better? How can we combine things so people don't have to take 20 different things? You know, what are the core essentials that are keeping people feeling great? Yeah, looking young. Yeah, losing weight.

Tony Horton  1:11:04  

I mean, these are products that you know, that I that I've obviously been, as the as the test to dummy here, I've been able to enjoy, and I'm noticing big differences in the gym and my strength and a 61. It's hard to like one of the products is we got hmbs and and everything else. Some other really interesting ingredients that you don't see in combination anywhere else. Yeah, we're kind of the first ones to do this with some of this product line, which is, you know, which is great, because like, you know, whey protein is whey protein in most cases, but not ours, you know, and our formula for I don't know, if I'm allowed to say the names of these things, that combination like that the amount of I'm going to go up to one of the one of the organic farms in Central California just to go see the stucco on the broccoli and spinach. Like if you see these workers and, folks, I'll be in Texas Pretty soon, you know, talking to watching this stuff come off the line. It's just a really neat thing. And this is something I've always really wanted to do. And you know, in the past, there's been some pretty decent supplements that I'm pretty good at, you know, running around trying to find something that works for me. But now this is sort of custom made for me. And for a clientele similar to me. Yes. You know that that crowd? Yeah, people who are in their 20s anymore, right. But it's not to say people in the 20s can't they'll still benefit as well. Right. But just that there's the people who are like, oh, wow, I've never seen these combinations before. Yeah. And and, and like you said, the flavors, great, the consistencies, great, the qualities like off the chain. And you know, we didn't pull any punches on anything, which is, you know, and apparently because, you know, you guys have known this as well. It's got my damn face and name on it. You know what I mean? So we can't be selling garbage to folks, we got to just go, you know, and you look at p90x, I mean, it was the best of the best and every program I've ever created, I'm working with guy him now. And also those workouts. People have very high expectations for anything that I do. And and so far, we've, you know, we've got 1000 and we're going to continue to do that, which is,

Craig Clemens  1:12:46  

while it's been an honor to work with Tony, and to have you on the show, sharing all these stories, man, dude, thanks for being with us today. My pleasure. Yeah, so yeah, Tony Horton easy to find. Check out power life nutrition as well. You're on Instagram sharing insights on there, you know, and your own website, you have an email just on there. I do

Unknown Speaker  1:13:07  

not want to get on an

Tony Horton  1:13:08  

email list. They can learn about all the things I'm doing. You know, for example, I don't know when this is going to air but we have my Paragon events at the house. Yeah, we've had three last year all sold out and one in March has sold out. We'll have two more in 2020. Plus, you have a yoga retreat, ski yoga retreat in Jackson Hole every year. So it's Tony Horton life.com. Power life, get it power life, Tony Horton life it's all about life and improving the quality of your life.

Craig Clemens  1:13:29  

Boom. mega right. As long as possible. Yeah,

Tony Horton  1:13:31  

why not? It's a fun ride. Yeah. Thanks, Tony. Dude, pleasure, man.

Craig Clemens  1:13:37  

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